Hi dude,
Excellent stuff! You are even playing at looking for new ways to play.

It sounds like you are having an enlightening awakening to awareness of the power of play.
Yes this is exactly the barrier we need to break down -that between work and play. There should be no barrier between them.

This is very hard to grasp when we've been taught to think of work as nasty and play as nice.

In a healthy culture you would wander round and play at copying whatever you found impressive. You'd pick up various skills automatically by doing that. You'd get so good at the ones you liked best that others could then watch you and copy you. You'd take pride in doing it well, whatever it was, and you'd be respected for your abilities. The more different abilities you had, the more you'd be afforded social status. Interested students would travel many miles to come watch you personally demonstrate you skills and answer their questions. You'd become a teacher automatically by doing that. Your whole culture would support you and you would want for nothing, being such a valued member of your tribe.
We are designed to become the best of the best at doing things useful to our own progress. When we turn away from our progress as humans to progress in societies, all this is lost.

So, just carry on doing the sort of thing you're doing!  :  )

Good stuff to read: "The Continuum Concept", Jean Liedloff.

“We are born here to play, and nothing else. And as long as we play, fully and completely, ...everything will work as it is supposed to.
"Authentic play is the free exploration of new and appropriate patterns and possibilities. Play is intelligence in action. Play is the essence of real learning as opposed to much of the conditioning we call schooling."
(JC Pearce)

Best,
AR

sakiro wrote
And i don't know if is because we associate like that ..
games = fun
work = boring

or real life = shit ..
fantasy world = great where all is possible?

going back to this, the second version is the one that's incongruent. Real life includes fantasy and imagination as part of itself; they cannot be too different things. It's like saying "Mammals = great, humans = crap"; it doesn't make sense.

What we really need to see is that play, on our part = work on the brain's part. It is the brain's job to do the work of learning, and it's very very good at it, if it's allowed to proceed as intended.

Notice the difference between the intention of trying to learn an unknown language through instruction and the intent of learning it because you're immersed in it and you have to communicate (ie, the way we learn our first language). How much work did you have to do to learn your first language? None at all; you just had to play with words until you got the correct responses through feedback from others. Your brain did all the work underneath all by itself, as is intended.

Searching the net i found a concept called "gamification" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamification

The danger with gamification is believing that there are non-game contexts. To the unconscious mind, all life is a series of games, interwoven with other games. The benefit of the techniques, however, is doing them helps us to realize this.
I hooe to cover much ground on this during T9 & 10, so I'll go and get on with writing the former right now!  :  )
Best,
AR

Sakiro Wrote:
is hard when we start with a "playground" or rules (culture/anxiety society) that get us away of that concept of "game"

It's more like we are locked out of the playground and restricted like labrats.

.. Is sad that we have to clean up our minds every fucking day to all the shit of people and input we get along that time

This is what I mean by 'dodging bullets'. The idea is to get into a postion where we don't have to, because they can't affect us. As you say next:

of course there is the key of input control

The key that comes free with our rapidly-developing open source cipher LOL  :  )

I think a lot of people could "reset" his life if he could start "all over" in a clean, healthy, free anxiety place

That's exactly the idea behind Homeworld  :  )
Best,
AR

Hi dude,
The Continuum Concept is a great book for understanding the difference between a culture and a society (even though Liedloff mixes up the terms herself, the difference can clearly be seen). It's also a great book for understanding the concept of continua in general, and continua as matrices. Because we can extend the concept to see life itself or biology as a continuum, and so on.

Magical Child is a different approach altogether and looks at overall development, however it has a problem. About a half of it is extremely good science, but the other half is plain woo woo. It's a fascinating example of how someone can see what's going on, and then blame it on the wrong ontology (set of beliefe about reality).

This presents a stark contrast and many scientists won't look at the book because of the woo woo (and many woo woo practitioners won't look at the book because of the complicated science.)

Anyone with even the weirdest ontology can have great, true, scientifically sound ideas. Even Hitler had some great ideas -"let's all have healthier children" -nothing wrong with that! But when one applies incongruent, false ontologies such as a belif that 'all jews are evil', the original good ideas can go badly awry.

Also bear in mind, Pearce was badly stressed our at the TE when he wrote this book, as many of us are when we first discover that we and our families have been damaged. He seems to turn to hinduism "on the rebound" as it were.

It was an attempt to capture and expand the science in Magical Child and miss out the woo woo that inspired me to write ICMM. It's difficult to explain that one was inspired by someone who got something wrong to do a better job of it whilst still extolling the virtues of its science, but you'll understand what I mean when you read it. Chapter seven is a masterpiece. Chapter seventeen is complete nonsense.

It's almost like the book was written by two people  :  )  So you'll have to read critically and take on board only what makes sense in the context of what you know already. It's well worth the effort of mental editing (and gives us lots of practice in reading other things critically too).
Best,
AR

Talking about the not so beneficial approaches of "gamification" in the real world ..

A little sci-fi possible future here .. ?

Enjoy!

http://vimeo.com/46304267

Hi dude, i think if we see all this stuff like "tools" to use in especific situations, or to have some fun can be good and i say "YES!" bring it on.

But similar like can happend with "calculators" when you just stop doing it yourself and not training your brain anymore (or the list from a supermarket related to memory), GPS for spatial skills etc, using it in that way to "replace" what we should do it naturally can harm us ..

Look at the video, like the guy didn't know how to approach an interaction with a woman (and probably anyone else) without the guidance of the app!!

btw i'm very interested in transhumanism/singularity/cyberpunk stuff .. so i think that probably all that stuff will come in our lifetime and can't avoid to think that this only will get better and better* ...

Inspired but this two articles that i read a few years ago:

http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/micha … hnologies/
http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/micha … will-want/

And i remember too i found the NH community  when in some section in that site, a glossary with the definition "neurohackers" and i said, wow, let's google this ... and .. =)

What's are your favorites in the list alex, maybe, "superintelligence"..? hehe =)

Cheers

* For the people outside "the matrix" of course .. LOL =)

ALEX wrote:

In a healthy culture you would wander round and play at copying whatever you found impressive. You'd pick up various skills automatically by doing that. You'd get so good at the ones you liked best that others could then watch you and copy you. You'd take pride in doing it well, whatever it was, and you'd be respected for your abilities. The more different abilities you had, the more you'd be afforded social status. Interested students would travel many miles to come watch you personally demonstrate you skills and answer their questions. You'd become a teacher automatically by doing that. Your whole culture would support you and you would want for nothing, being such a valued member of your tribe.