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Greetings and question about functional analysis

Good day everybody!

First of all let me thank you for building this great website.
The amount and quality of information is incredible.
In days of capitalism it's hard to believe that someone has put so much new and incredibly useful information all for free :-)
Keep it up guys! Your readers, including me, appreciate your efforts very much.

Right now I'm going through tutorials and I've been doing exercises for networks N1 and N2 for about 20 days so far. Anxiety reduction (a lot of it) and input control included :-) I already have very noticeable results in different factors of intelligence.

Now to my question:

When I was doing functional analysis I've got such results:

N1 and N2:
F: 64.58%
O: 18.75%
N: 16.66%

N3:
F: 53.05%
O: 26.54%
N: 20.40%

N4:
F: 51.11%
O: 15.55%
N: 33.33%

N5:
F: 60%
W: 22.22%
N: 17.77%

N6:
F: 45.61%
W: 28.07
N: 26.31%


At first I thought N1 and N2 are my strongest networks because I've got highest score for it (64.58%).
But while doing interpretation it says that this percentage is split between two networks so in reality it's only 32,29 for each network N1 and N2.

That has put my N1 and N2 networks as the weakest and I've labeled them 'Y' networks. My 'X' network is N6 and my 'Z' network is N4

Is this correct or I don't understand something?

And in case I'm right about networks N1 and N2 then how does one can get more than 50% for N1 and N2 networks? Because even if I get 'F' 100% for those networks I still have to split it by half and that will be only 50% for N1 and 50% for N2.

So I'm confused here and need your help.

thanks in advance!

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Re: Greetings and question about functional analysis

Hi dude, as far i understand, the max F score you can get in N1 and N2 (shared) is still 100%.

So you still have N1 and N2 as your strongest networks, yes, i asked myself the same question of why we do the "split stuff" but maybe is because n1 and n2 shared a lot of parts of the same "functions"

Example: About the senses, n1 is more "short senses" (like taste and touch), and n2 about vision, etc.

Your weakest networks seems like is N6 and N4 (still pretty good balance overall Networks to my opinion).

Anyways, because you need to start working with the networks from the bottom up (n1 --> n2 --> n3 --> n4 --> n5 --> n6) i'm not so sure if alex will recommend you start with the exercises for n4 or n3 (pretty close F scores)or maybe still build up a little more n1 nad n2, in my case was very easy the choice because i started with pretty low n1-n2 scores.

Then we have, most non-use (N score) in  n4 (cool with that because maybe a stronger reason to do the exercises) and wrong-use (O score) N6 but because this is the last network and i read that a lot of the improvement in this one is done in the path working from the bottom up, maybe you need to starts the hacks in n3.

So, i think this will look something like this:

n4: Start the exercises (Low F score + Non Use)
n3: Hacks exercises (Wrong Use)
Anxiety Reduction Stuff

But wait to our friend alex and he will show you the light LOL =)

Cheers


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Re: Greetings and question about functional analysis

Hi dude, welcome aboard  :  )
Sorry this is so long, I find it hard to explain things short...

I'm not quite sure where you got these scores as some of them are labeled F O N and some of them are labeled F W N. ...so I'm confused too, which is fine because it's more fun being confused together  :  )

Info that might help:
If you haven't done tutorial 4 yet, that will fill in a lot of info about your assessment. This initial FA is about basics and is based on a 5-network model; N1&2 are assessed together because they perform many basic tasks together.

The original 'FO&N' scores (in the first column of your FA) are NOT percentages; they are the figures from your original question responses. Your total scores for N1&2 could be as high as 120. The 'totals for networks' (column 2) represent 100% of what's going on in that network. This is why it doesn't matter if you can't answer many of the questions; the percentage is taken only from the selection you did answer.

Someone could have an original F100 score as you suggest and yes, they would end up with 50% each for N1&2. What's weirder is they could have an original F120 score for N1&2, (giving them a 1% of 0.833), and end up with only 99.96 between 2 networks.

This merging of N1&2 occurred because the FA was originally designed this way for clinical assessment after brain trauma, and we stayed with the same method to save time because it works; halving the N1&2 score gives an accurate reflection of functional ability at this stage that can be correlated with MRI results.

The interesting thing is, I don't know why! I have discussed this with clinical users and the reply is generally that we are only assessing basic concrete functions because most people don't know enough neuroscience to interpret some of the questions needed to assess abstract skills (so we're only looking at about half of what N1&2 actually do in real life and around 50% of each remains unassessed at this stage). Without these basic skills, abstract functions can't develop, so it does give us a good clue as to what else may be affected by basic skill problems.

Also, there is no precedent for what to do if these scores turned up. It is extremely unusual (yet) to find anyone with a fully functional rear end (so far it has never happened) so pretty much all of us have to begin with working on N1&2.

I would like to have time to investigate more deeply the reasons WHY sharing those assessment scores between networks 1&2 correlates with MRI results, but unfortunately I don't have that time! I do know that the method works well, but I do like things to make sense and avoid confusion on all levels.
Also curious is the fact that they are still treated as merged in the whole brain scores, where N1&2  should be taking up around 33.33% of the brain's resources, all as an F score. Each other network should show around 16%.

When you do intermediate & other FAs later on, there will be a lot more detail to work with and these networks are treated separately, but this is a low-resolution initial assessment that gives us a rough guide to what's going on with basic functions between front and back, left and right, which areas are in wrong use and which areas are lagging behind.

From your scores above, it looks like you have some, but not loads, of work to do in N1&2 (and most of this will be accomplished with your relaxation response (anxiety reduction) & input control).

If 'W' = 'O', N6 = 'X' network.
'Y' = your earliest blank (uncolored) network on your template (in this case N1&2). This would be the case even if it had a high F score.
'Z' = N4.
So, begin exercises for N1, N2 and practise hacks for N6. Once you're comfortable with that, include exercises for N4.

Hope this helps!
AR


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Re: Greetings and question about functional analysis

Alex and Sakiro thanks for your replies!

Scores all should read F W N of course and it's all percentages. The figures are from automatic FA. So where it says O it's actually W, I mistyped that.

Now my next question is this:

Where do I get hacks for N6? I've read all the tutorials and I can only see lots of exercises & hacks for N1&2, some exercises and hacks for N3 but unable to find hacks for N6 could you please enlighten me on where to get them! Same question for exercises for network N4.

thanks in advance!

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Hi dude,
Funky username, btw  :  )  I loved that movie.

...Okay there's definitely some confusion here because scores should all read FON and there is no 'W'.

So first, where is the phantom W coming from? Have we done a whoopsy and put it in the tutorials somewhere?

Second, if you've read all the tutorials you are probably going way too fast. They are not designed to be read so much as done (ie you read it, them you go and do the stuff to get the experience).
Consequently each tutorial takes an average student at least a month to go through, and by the end of the first 6 you should know stuff like, “What's the difference between attention, concentration, alertness, and focus?”; “What's the difference between emotion and sentiment?”; “What animal behaviors are associated with what transmitters?” and “How does anxiety shut down frontal lobes?”
And you should have new abilities; how to initiate the relaxation response, how to spot sentiment, how to recognize anxiety, what not to do with benzodiazepine, etc etc.

If you came in as an adept and you DO know all this already, we apologize that most of the stuff here so far is for beginners or intermediates. There are a lot more newbies than adepts, so necessity determines content.

Re: N6: You are probably already doing hacks for N6. The most beneficial hacks for N6 are anxiety reduction and input control, and of course eating, sleeping and behaving in ways that provide all the building blocks the brain needs to start increasing density. The tutorials should tell you that some hacks work for all networks.

There are not many specific hacks for front nets in the basics tutorials at all, because we work from the bottom up and by the time you've gotten N1,2 & 3 nicely balanced you'll notice that much of the front end has improved a lot all by itself! Often, problems just disappear. So by the time you get to working full time on frontal lobes you'll find there is a lot less to do, which is great news for all of us  :  )

All the heavy duty stuff happens right here, because in order to improve front nets, we have to improve rear ones, as that's what they depend on. Balancing N1&2 frees up resources for N6, so when you are working on the rear end you are improving the whole brain. It's much quicker to improve this way than going in top down. Think of it as working to strengthen the foundations of a great building that you can them build better walls and ceilings for and finally the roof. Then you can augment it with bullet-proof glass etc  :  )

Usually, anxiety reduction by itself will stop most frontal wronguse in its tracks. If snapback keeps happening, you need to look more closely at input control. By the time you've done the first 6 tutorials, you should know enough to understand what sort of things N6 is doing that constitute the 'wronguse'. As soon as you know that, you can hack N6 by input control. Type of wronguse is always individual and cannot be predicted by others from a distance; you have to get to 'know yourself' and your life context well enough to see what any network is doing that it shouldn't be.

A big clue for most of us: The dominant network will often cause wronguse in other nets by hijacking them for its own purposes. So input control is indeed very powerful and the more you do it, the more opportunities to do it will occur to you. Unless you have a specific problem or condition, that should be adequate for keeping any rogue network behavior under control while you improve.

Sorry; another long mail! Hope it helps.
Best,
AR


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Re: Greetings and question about functional analysis

Alex thanks for the answer!

First:

Sorry for the confusion with FON, I again confused the word "F" with "U" (use).

Here's where I've got the UNW (use, non use, wronguse, there are no FNW it's my mistake)

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7254818/automatic_fa.png


Second: Yes I understand that tutorials are to be done not be read. And I'm following strictly the rule "always do it in the right order" for walking the path. So for now I'm only doing exercises for N1 & N2 and anxiety reduction and input control, every day.

I just can't stop reading your tutorials, they are fascinating. I'm reading each tutorial 2-3 times to grasp as much knowledge as possible (and no I'm not forcing myself, it happens naturally with intent and desire smile

I find that knowing as much theory as possible helps with exercises and all that I do because I know exactly what I'm doing, on what purpose.

Also I've been messing with my mind for quite some time (almost 1 year now) but only recently (about 3-4 month ago) discovered neurohacking from your book "I've changed my mind". And finally I feel like that I've found what I've been looking for the whole year.

I don't consider myself intermediate though. The most difficult part for me is input control so far. The old habits are constantly throwing me to short but regular snapbacks. (half day/1 day spent in apathy/depression) then 4-5 days normal with 1 superb day in between (I keep track of all of this in my captain's log). But I just keep practicing no matter how I feel, it's one of my main rules.

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Hi dude,

Ah! (enlightenment)  :  )  Now I understand. The reason they're not labeled like that is that functional and wronguse nets are of course BOTH in use, but not all of the use is useful use!

It's a bit like saying you're still 'using the computer' if you're using it as a door wedge.* So we had to clearly separate function from dysfunction, and the terms mean 'Functional, Occupied and Neutral'.

The trick with snapback is to NOTICE IT as soon as possible. As soon as you know that you are 'not yourself', you can take deliberate steps to rebalance your own neurochemistry and get back into the green zone. Noticing anxiety when in the middle of it is the hard thing, much like trying to get a clear perspective through drunkenness or hypothermia.

The idea of the FA, and all the other little tests along the way, is so you can build up a picture of what your brain's doing over time and how it is changing & improving.

Looking at your FA, if you're working steadily on N1&2, everything else may well fall into place for you with relative ease!
It sounds like you're in a period of fast brain growth, and you'll know by now that connection-density development comes in waves, so to make the most of it, step outside the tutorials and look at the supporting material in the library. Most of the 'basics' section relates directly to tutorials -not just the ones you've seen so far but the ones that are under construction, so if you go through this now you'll be able to grasp upcoming intermediate tutorials right away.

If you've read all the library stuff already, we can send the latest discoveries in your field of interest by private email for your own research. Just let us know what you need, and it's yours.

Brain growth spurts are the best time for implementing input control. Fill your space with sights & sounds of beauty & nature, music and stories that inspire you and movies with good role models. You have a chance here to progress very fast, if you beware of any 'pushing' and keep play and laughter high on the agenda.

We are all with you -Heave Ho me Hearties, there's a neuropirate on the way up!  :  )  It's great to see people diving into these choppy waters and swimming with vigor and success. I often wish sites like this had been around when I was just starting**

I regret that tutorials cannot be finished faster; at the current pace of discovery I am only just able to keep up with the frontiers of research by reading for about a third of each day. I am currently working on T8 though and hope to have it online soon.

Have you discovered this yet:
http://www.neurohackers.com/index.php/e … -left-btpt

It's a totally different perspective on NH but it made me laugh so much, it was like a light being turned on.
Best,
AR

* The ZX81 did a superb job as a door wedge
**Hell, I wish computers had been around when I was just starting!  LOL  :  )


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Hi Alex!

Snapbacks:

I do notice them. Right away. As I've previously said I've been messing with my mind for many months now and before starting neurohacking I was practicing a lot self-awareness through regular meditations and self-observations in real life. This helps me with input control now.

Before neurohacking when I became depressed or apathic I did nothing with it. I just waited for it to be gone. Now I try to do something: dancing, forcing myself to smiling, watching funny movies, going outside for a walk etc. Sometimes I'm able to change my state into a green zone. But it's not easy I must say! As I understand I just need to continue this new habit every time I find myself in snapback.

I haven't read all the library yet. Maybe only 20% of it or less. English is not my native language and I'm kind of slow to grasp it all quickly, so many new terms to learn. Now I'm re-reading tutorials from the beginning to make sure that I understand every sentence and have not missed anything important. All this knew knowledge must be built from bottom to top as well just like we do with our networks and I want to make 100% sure that the bottom knowledge is very solid.

Once done I'll be going through library and read all the articles. And only after that I'll ask you about the latest discoveries. I appreciate this offer very much, It's just too early for me, information overload is not good :_)

Brain growth: Yes I feel like this happens to me right now. I notice a lot of changes happening and it's much faster than I expected. At first I thought that it's a placebo effect but after successfully going through several snapbacks and coming back to green zone without me believing in it much (it's hard to believe in anything while you are depressed, especially if it's a new thing) I'm now sure that it's a lot more than placebo effect and the thing is real.

Glad to hear that you are all with me, I'm with you too and for the long term :-) I feel very lucky that I've found your book and this site. I just don't get one thing: why not A LOT of people are practicing neurohacking? Too brainwashed by mainstream? Neurohacking should go mainstream!

I saw the "Beyond The Porcelain Throne" but haven't read it yet! Will sure try to read it when I have some spare time for entertainment!

Looking forward to T8! And again thanks a lot for all the incredible work you are doing!

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darkstar Wrote:
“As I understand I just need to continue this new habit every time I find myself in snapback”.

Yep, developing sensible habits is what it's all about. We make it automatic -an automatic sensible interactive response is a great advantage.

Re: language: Some stuff has been translated, and we also have members from all over the world; what language do you find easiest?

As long as we know where to find everything, we can take all the time we need and gauge our own pace.

darkstar wrote: (it's hard to believe in anything while you are depressed, especially if it's a new thing)

I believe some time soon you are going to turn around and rethink that  :  )   When we are depressed it's difficult NOT to believe that everything is shit. All we can access are shitty  memories, and we come to believe that's all there is. The way out of depression is to stop believing in all the shit and start believing in reality  :  )

Reality is that stuff which, even if people don't believe in it, won't go away. Never underestimate the 'placebo' effect; it is the basis of all input control. It's a very powerful process that we can trigger on purpose with either concrete or abstract input. That's a great tool.

Interestingly, reading  "Beyond The Porcelain Throne" will answer your question, “Why are a  lot of people not practising NH?”  :  )

Re: Homeworld: Homeworld is the networking organization we use to meet in real life and collaborate on projects. Click here:
http://www.neurohackers.com/index.php/e … troduction

OR: go to the site's home page, scroll down and click on the 'Introduction' button on the left, underneath 'Homeworld'.
Best,
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Re: Greetings and question about functional analysis

Hi

My native language is russian but I prefer to read in original language so in this case it's english. Translated copy can be very different from what was in the original text. And since neurohacking is very new I want to be sure that I'm reading the originals!

re: placebo effect

The more I practice neurohacking the more I understand how powerful is the placebo effect. Isn't this effect direct outcome of golden rule #2 in the action?

thanks for the link to homeworld!

Best Regards

PS: started to read "Beyond The Porcelain Throne", funny stuff:)

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darkstar Wrote:
I want to be sure that I'm reading the originals!

...The originals of ICMM are (partly) handwritten on everything from beer mats to paper napkins, and (partly) on ancient floppy discs chewed by small children. I am happy to post them, if you are sure you want to do this (don't worry, I'm joking)  :  )

re: placebo effect The more I practice neurohacking the more I understand how powerful is the placebo effect. Isn't this effect direct outcome of golden rule #2 in the action?

Yes, although in a way you'll find you can see most of the rules at work in most NH somewhere, “Behave as though” is a good summary of the P effect. Another way of saying that is 'all you have to do is play, and the work goes on underneath'.
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