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Acetylcholine, N4, parietal lobes??

It says in the tutorials that acetylcholine is produced by N4. It also says that parietal lobes is part of N3. I read on the net that acetylcholine is produced in the parietal lobe. Now as parietal lobe is part of the N3, there shouldn't be an error.. but in the "Emotions and corresponding animal behaviors" file the neurotransmitter of N3 is mentioned to be oxytocin/cortisol.


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Empathia wrote: It says in the tutorials that acetylcholine is produced by N4.

Acetylcholine is produced all over the brain and body in both the central and peripheral nervous systems. Choline is taken up by a neuron and combines with acetyl coenzyme A (CoA) to produce acetylcholine.

Acetylcholine does specific things related to animal behaviors when released in N4 and in the ANS that are particularly relevant to NHers, but it is not only produced in N4.


It also says that parietal lobes is part of N3.

Parts of parietal lobe are part of N3. Other parts of the parietal lobe are part of N2. Lobes are not the same thing as networks.

I read on the net that acetylcholine is produced in the parietal lobe.

See above.

Now as parietal lobe is part of the N3, there shouldn't be an error.. but in the "Emotions and corresponding animal behaviors" file the neurotransmitter of N3 is mentioned to be oxytocin/cortisol.

Likewise, Oxytocin and cortisol are produced elsewhere but do specifically behavior-related interesting things in N3.

Neurotransmission is far too complicated to be fully explained in the context of tutorials, so for expediency we focus on the most relevant parts of the system to NH instead of the whole system.
Best,
AR


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Alex wrote:

Acetylcholine is produced all over the brain and body
I should have mentioned my reasons for this questioning, it might have helped you understand me despite
errors in thinking. I am beginning to reach a state where I have less anxiety so it is not off-putting me for me to be disciplined in checking posts before posting. I know this has been quite a frequent thing for me
and know myself to not take a liking to someone posting like that.

I was thinking if it would be beneficial to take acetylcholine-increasing stuff if I happen to feel a bit manic and especially if I'm going to meet up people and would like to be more centered. Occasionally take it, not all the time. Maybe it wouldn't even work?

I didn't mean to say that the tutorials were wrong, I am more aware now so I know that more often than I think, I "see" even information (let alone the awareness of my surroundings) terribly badly. I write this because I figured that perhaps some people have reported my posts to be dodgy. Please try to tolerate me, I'm getting better at this.


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Hi dude,

Re: ACh supplementation:
It works well for me but I'm aware that it's very different for others. If you find that you calm down if you smoke tobacco, ACh will probably work well for you, if you don't respond well to nicotine you may find similar problems with choline supplementation.

Re: posting: Nobody has reported any of your posts as being dodgy, so you may be slightly over-sensitive at the moment or perhaps doubting yourself?

Don't. You've kept core conditions, and once we start "climbing right out of the toilet", it's good to share our escape routes not only so we understand ourselves more (writing stuff down helps that)  but also so that others can find their own way out.
Imagine ...some  confused dude (think: ourselves, 10/20/30/etc/ years ago) having a real shit time trying to remain sane in insane circumstances, comes across this site and reads our posts and thinks, "hey I'm thinking those things and feeling those feelings too, and these dudes are getting through the BS by doing this stuff...."

So no worries dude, I only wish I had had access to a place like this several decades ago  :  )

Re tutorials: It's almost certain that some stuff in the tutorials is wrong; that's the nature of science. As new discovery happens and new research data come in, like in any other area of study we see a bigger picture and realize that some things we had assumed are incomplete pictures of what's really going on. Scientists can only get to the truth by getting things wrong a lot, and can only get to the proof by FTU a lot.*

Question everything you read, and if you find stuff that disproves what we're saying, send it in right away  :  )
Best,
AR

*FTU = "Fucking things up" a lot. Scientists have to live with this; thus Occam's double-edged sword of discovery and scientific method separates scientists from priests or politicians, who can FTU bigtime for whole populations and still remain too dumb to realize wtf is really going on)  :  )


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Dear Alex,

I am VERY interested in taking a safe ACh supplement.  There is so much to choose from if one simply asks google for a recommendation.  I have come to trust you ;) and hoped you might recommend a supplement you yourself take?  I do smoke semi-frequently, but I would like to stop doing that.

Thankfully yours,
daniel


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I'm not Alex and he might give you a fuller response but he once told me that huperzine is good for meditation.

Alex: Yes it is clear to me now what I said was just self-depreciation.

The reason I feel ambiguous about my 'journal' is that I've wondered if my journal is bad input. Or am I attached to what I've done and gained (which would probably classify as another ego game but it would be silly to continue so I won't). It's probably me just being very harsh with myself.


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Hi dudes,

We can't rely on anybody else's recommendations when using chemicals because we're all so different; something that works really well for me, some other dude may be allergic to. A lot of people use Gingko Biloba for example but it gives me chronic headaches.

I'm also not a good test case because I have all sorts of weird genetic features (they're not bugs, they're features) LOL  :  ) but I use HuperzineA ("chinese moss"). I've never heard of anyone having problems with that so far but you should still be cautious and start with small trial doses.

A diet rich in choline also helps.

When you first start upping ACh, norepinephrine will temporarily drop so you may feel less energy for a few days, however don't be disheartened as it soon sorts itself out and balances up the levels, energy comes back, and you then have that extra focus & clarity.

Nicotine patches can also help but obviously don't smoke at the same time! You may find that you feel like smoking whenever ACh levels are low, so a supplement & more choline in the diet may take away any desire to smoke at all. I reckon a lot of tobacco smokers are ACh deficient and the unconscious knows that  :  )

On keeping a journal or 'captain's log': nothing is compulsory about a log. We can keep records of anything, from just the very basics for aiding memory; like what exercises gave what results, or what transmitters do what, golden rules etc, or we can keep records in great detail about your own behavior ike a daily diary; it's up to us to find the level of recording we feel comfortable with and design our log with input control in mind, to give us positive feedback (for example, tick off goals, don't just delete them when you achieve them.)

Traps I've had to climb out of: Beware of only recording snapbacks, problems or negative experiences and forgetting to record good experiences (because you're too busy having them at the time), enter solutions as well as problems, and beware of analysing yourself to death (ie, not leaving your mind enough time for actually having new experiences). Designing our own current goals, aims and projects is all part of the learning process, as is being clear about what we need next and recording how we achieve it.
Best,
AR

PS: There is a certain type or types of marijuana that when smoked with tobacco gives a strong ACh release. The trouble is I haven't yet been able to isolate any chemical reason why, and many types of marijuana don't do this. Weird. LSD can also increase ACh in some people, but comes with the possibly undesired side effect of not knowing wtf is going on.


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