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empathia
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Organic vitamins a scam?

Is there any benefit in using "organic" = food-like vitamins?

Some of the sellers have put down colloidal minerals as well..

I'm trying colloidal minerals right now but I wonder if there are always so miniscule amounts of stuff in them. Mine has like 1-10% of RDA.. perhaps I should just use liquid chelates or something.. (any benefit in liquid form?)

Thanks ;)


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Alex
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Re: Organic vitamins a scam?

Hi dude,
Most 'vitamin supplements' can't be digested by humans. For them to work, they have to be liquid and the minerals etc have to be colloidal.
Some years ago about a dozen of us got together and tested all the supplements we were collectively taking. Only one turned out to (a) actually contain all the compounds mentioned on the bottle and nothing else, and (b) could be digested fully. It was this:
http://www.healthy.co.nz/product/139-fl … 250ml.html

The product containing the next most digestible vitamins/minerals wasn't a supplement at all. It was this:
http://www.norfolkpunch.com.au/

The only other product we've found since that works is LEF mix from the life extension foundation. Smells appalling, tastes foul, but does the trick.

If you find any more let us know.
What was alarming was the number of things found in analysis in other products that were not mentioned on the bottle, including paper pulp, microscopic insect parts, rodent hair, isopropyl, soy products, gelatine, coal tar dyes, and in one case when the outer layer of a tablet dissolved, lumps of actual iron like buckshot. If someone had taken an overdose of these, they could have farted and shot the cat.

Best,
AR


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Re: Organic vitamins a scam?

Alex, the laboratory who creates that pills doesn't know that? (if it is not liquid/colloidal) don't get absorbed by humans?

I mean, is a totally rip-off, the FDA shouldn't regulate that kind of stuff?? (maybe i'm naive).

Now .. this interest me too, one stuff is taking something that just "don't work" (because you can't digest it) and the other is taking something that the label doesn't show!!! (scary)

So probably in the future i will invest in the Life Extension Vitamins like you mentions (and omega 3 ones).

I don't know if you can buy this stuff from another country?

We should do like longecity guys (ex iminist forum)

http://www.imminst.org/vimmortal    maybe this one is good too?
... and make our own neurohacker brain enhancing 'red pill' hehe smile

Cheers


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Hi dude,
I would guess a few CEOs know and most don't know, and I very much doubt if people working in vitamin pill factories know anything about nutrition, since they're part of “most people”; i.e., Educated by Television.

I mean, what should really be printed on labels is: “Go back to sleep, sheeple! Eat your Recommended Daily Intake of cattle food and keep on bleating around that treadmill!”

...I guess we shouldn't forget about the beneficial 'placebo effect' that comes free with every pack of milk sugar tablets! That at least helps body chemistry as it cheers some people up.

One can't really get around the fact that the best way to get nutrients is by eating good food with then in. I use vitamins and supplements for whenever I visit places where I can't get any  :  )  That way your levels don't drop too badly when you're stuck in junk food territory. It's still quicker to get most minerals from a packet of nuts though...

...Maybe the moral is: If you always have your nuts in your pocket, you will never go short of minerals...?
Sorry if incoherent; it's friday night here and I'm having a good time  :  )
Party on dudes,
AR


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empathia
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It takes time & effort to remember how much nutrients is in a particular food. Plus I'm a vegetarian so I get no B12. It's easier to just take a cap or two a day. No worries.. I've become anemic when I didn't take anything too.

Funny stuff. I was certain you were just joking.


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Alex
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Hi dude,

You don't have to remember how much nutrition is in every food; all you have to do is list the most nutritious and least harmful foods once and then choose your shopping only from the list.
OR (even easier) look in 'optimal nutrition for beginners' because the starter low GI diet is comprised of such foods. You can put them together any way you like as long as it's one third protein, two thirds low density carbs.

Vitamins: If you're taking Vit.Bees then you're probably taking brewer's yeast or similar. These are NOT synthetic vitamins; yeast is a food, and these work just fine.
Best,
AR


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empathia
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Re: Organic vitamins a scam?

You meen you don't count in taste at all? smile At this point I still want a lot of variety so I don't look at GI at all. I just want variety and organic when possible (I eat veggies/fruit, soy milk, nuts, raisins etc. mostly now)


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Hi dud,

...Don't count in taste??  -Hell yeh!  :  )
When you start eating what biology wants, I'm aware that your taste recalibrates anyway, but low GI is also some of the tastiest stuff I've ever eaten. So I don't get the question...I mean what sort of human would think that a side of venison with buttered mashed carrots, steamed veg and gravy, followed by apple and blackberry flapjecks with honey & cream and a glass of red wine doesn't taste nice??  That's all low GI!

And if you want variety there's a whole lot more where that came from...I just don't have time to write recipe books. What sources have you been reading about GI? As far as I'm concerned it's about eating like a hunter-gatherer; i.e., the best. Are any of you others here on low GI? Is your food not tasty?

Intrigued,
AR

PS Writing this gave me the munchies, dammit. Bring on the cheeseboard!!  LOL  :  )


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