Hi folks,
Those concerned about 'bits missing' from T9 missed this other post in 'creativity & imagination':

I wrote:
T9 is like, one section away fom finished. Should I put it up without the exercises/hacks section and finish it online? (you won't have any references or answers to puzzles, so that could be a laugh) but you'll have the info?

...And various people said yes.

THE MISSING BITS ARE NOW IN.

Apologies for any confusion!
Best,
AR

Well after a second (basic) read, let's the question begin LOL =)

This a lot of good stuff in this tutorial Alex! especially because i was wondering how all the "unconcious" play a role in all our behaviour, and it "open my eyes" when i found in myself a lot of stuff i do in my daily live that i thought was "free will" actions when in reality are more like automatic behaviour prompted by the release of emotions and in same case sentiments.

So let's keep this simple and, for now, i throw to you two questions ..

1º Chemistry and "Jekyll and Hyde"

Makes sense when you explain that if you throw up (for example) dopamine in your system, even in an artifical way (drugs or supplements) you can avoid the reality that you will get excited or get desire to DO something, not matter what if there are something really exciting going there, you will respond to that not matter what.

And is there when i think that can be a good idea for me, looking at my initial FA scores, and try to hack the neurochemistry of the neurotrasmitter that probably are out of balance (because they have a low F score).

In my case is N1-N2 and N4 the networks who probably lack enough trasmitter (even if right now are a little better because i was exercising them a few months) still think that compared to other parts of the brain (specially N5-N3) are low.

N1-N2: F score: 46,42%  Wrong Use: 28,57% Non Use: 24,99%
N3: F score: 44,1%  Wrong Use: 24,41% Non Use: 26,47%
N4: F score: 26,66% Wrong Use: 20%  Non Use: 53,33%
N5: F score: 50%  Wrong Use: 26,92%  Non Use: 23,07%
N6: F score: 23,52%  Wrong Use: 32,35%  Non Use: 44,11%

That results are from an "old FA" i did, so i suspect that right now my scores are a bit better, but still i think that is not balanced from N1-N2-N4-N6 related to N5 and N3.

I think i will get more details when i do it again, so i will wait for the new FA to doing a new one, so i get more details (specially to know the difference in scores from N1 and N2)

So we are talking of Serotonin-Dopamine and acetylcholine.

The thing is i was researching of foods/supplements/drugs that can affect tha levels of that transmitter (i read the drugs and chemicals files in the library)

I think the best idea is try to increase all the three, because if for example i focus only in dopamine, even if it helps to have dopamine more in the "green zone" it will affect my serotonin levels even worse (because when dopamine goes up, serotonin goes down, and vicerversa).

The idea is do this only short term (maybe a few months) till i finish my first cycle of NH (when i finish the spiral training N6) hopefully accelerating the process and feeling better during it.

I think i don't have big chance of down-regulation of receptors/addiction because that should happend when the brain detect an excess in that chemicals and if i start below expect levels in the first place it won't happend?

So this are the stuff i think about:

Serotonin: Banana, Enough Sun Exposure, Hack Smile, Humour, and basically everything that can do wich help to to tigger the relaxation response daily, i was thinking in prozac but i don't think i can get that one without a prescription.

Dopamine: Caffeine - Levodopa - Sulbutiamine - Yerba Mate

Acetylcholine: Nicotine - Choline - Piracetam

That's all the stuff i get in my hands right now, i think is enough to start playing to get a better balance?

About foods: The thing is, i know that a lot of neurotrasmitter come from proteins (aminoacids) the problem is you are not 100% shure that you will get the trasmitter you want to have in that moment because it will depends of what are you doing (behaviour) when it reach the brain.

Obvious example: if you take cocaine, no matter what you are doing, you will get the effect of extremely high levels of dopamine.

My doubt is, how it should use this? I think like i can just choose one or two of it of every trasmitter and take it from Monday to Friday (and get the weekend to rest)

Like this:

Monday:

Serotonin: Eat a Banana, and stay in Sun Light relaxing for 20-30 min
Dopamine: Levodopa
Aceyticholine: Smoke 1 ciggarette.

And tuesday i can swap, and replace levodopa for a cup of caffeine of something like that.

The weekeds i can just take my Multivitamin and omega 3 only and exercise that networks "naturally".

Of course i will exercise that networks from monday to friday too, i just do it that days so they can get an "extra help".

I know that in the process i need to be aware in the change in my behaviours to know that i stay most of the time in "the green zone", etc.

I thought to about brain wave entretainment, but i don't know how the different frequency (alpha-delta-theta, etc) are related with the different trasmitter (if they really are) i think that reaching alpha could help to N4, but to n1-n2 are any optimal frecuency?

What do you think alex, is a good strategy??


2º I like when you explained that everything we do is for get away from pain (nasty stuff) or get some benefit to the organism (nice stuff) because (explained in a non scientific way) that is what for example people like Tony Robbins teach to exploit to get people do the stuff they need to do and they don't

For example how could exploit it associating to pain if we "don't do x stuff something nasty will hapend" so doing that you get motivated to "move away" from that nasty stuff and indirectly start doing that stuff you avoided doing.

Ok ok .. i know that in the first place a healthy brain shouldn't do that because you naturally will get the desire to do the stuff that are nice for you and avoid the stuff that doesn't (specially if you have a balanced chemistry) but is there when i think about all you say about having congruency in your associations and probably is there when it can backfire?

Example: If I associate going to party with friends with shame, having bad moments, recalling bad experience in the past, so i will NOT get motivated to do that because y made an association of "going to party = nasty".

And a lot of self-help books (at least the ones which i think are reasonably decent) talk a lot about the core beliefs we can have and maybe is that stuff which are slowing us down (which i basically see beliefs like association we have about ourselves, another people, etc)

Can be if a person, who has difficult for example of getting enough money, have negative beliefs (associations) about it? maybe it think that money is bad, or you must must be a genius to make good money, or they don't deserve it etc

Is there when i resonate when in T9 says how we must aim to have the unconcious (most of your intelligence) in synchronie with your concious, basically having CONGRUENCE.

In that example above (money) can be a case of that? and that person will probably sabotage him self because his concious "wants money" but the unconcious have that beliefs that are incompatible with it?

And how we can achieve that synchronie with what your concious want to have with your unconcious? there will be in the exercises of T9?

As far as i know, based in "mainstream" stuff, the book psycho-cybernetics talk a lot about the self-image (who basically is the sum of beliefs you have about you) and that you could change them just using your imagination, and having "synthetic experience".

For example i have the belief that i'm bad at "public speaking" and somehow that is congruent with my past experience (because i always did it bad) so i imagine myself doing it great, being relaxed etc, i create new data in my brain being good at public speaking, and the unconcious slowly will override that belief because now it have reason to think that (you experience it).

Well, that's it =)

I wrote a lot, and fast so probably something could not make sense, so ask me if you don't understand something!

See ya!

let me just say wow and congratulations!  i have read it and will repeat reading it.  a lot to obsorb and experientially understand.  i unfortunately do not have time to discuss here and process it through online conversations.  but i will have some questions to look forward to asking at some point in the next weeks...

Re:  Sakiro question 2
Yes the coincidence-detection/ weighting system is vulnerable and that's exactly how it gets wrong associations, gets conned, and also problems like superstition and prejudice, although our degree of vulnerability can be reduced by simply knowing stuff (the more facts we know, the less likely we are to get fooled).

That's why it's a good idea to be able to tell consciously what the unconscious is up to, as we can moderate the weighting of coincidental input by adding our own input. For example, every time I leave my window open at night, I find small parts of mouse (not computer mouse, rodent mouse) on the carpet in the morning. Every time I close the window, I don't. It would be easy for my unconscious to get superstitious about this correlation and blame the window-opening behavior for the spontaneous appearance of rodent remains, but my conscious mind knows the fact that there is the 'ship's cat' around here who takes care of her own diet.

Core beliefs (ontology) is something else for tutorial 10. I can't send you the notes for that because they're currently on a lot of different bits of  paper  :  )

Believing anything without proof is superstition and also prejudice, and they abound in various forms.
But it's more complex than this, because someone who is brainwashed into believing something is 'good' isn't really running the show with their conscious mind. They're being deceived and other people (maybe parents, acquaintances, teachers or their favorite soap stars) are dictating what is 'good' and 'bad' to their unconscious. They think this is so 'normal' that they won't notice, they'll just blindly repeat it all, because the part of their brain that could reason is switched off via anxiety.

You have to be able to reason to realize that stuff like money is not directly useful in the real world. We can't eat it, drink it or use it for anything, animals won't exchange their body parts for it, we can light a fire with it but only once, it' not waterproof, and it would take a lot of it to comfortably stuff a mattress.

We only get dependent on artificial systems when our intelligence fails to provide our needs or is artificially blocked from doing so. But we can still creatively interact with them without becoming dependent, and we can even interact with them in ways that make them obsolete (imagine funding a project that nanobuilt materials, like the star trek replicator, or a project that created a resource-sustainable scenario where people could live without needing artificial systems).

[s] And how we can achieve that synchronie with what your concious want to have with your unconcious? there will be in the exercises of T9?

There should be some exercises in T9, if they are not there, tell me right away! There will be more in the next few tutorials too.

[s] As far as i know, based in "mainstream" stuff, the book psycho-cybernetics talk a lot about the self-image (who basically is the sum of beliefs you have about you) and that you could change them just using your imagination, and having "synthetic experience".

See above (Core beliefs (ontology) is something else for tutorial 10.) But basically yes; although I think first we've got to (a) recognise that assuming any belief ahead of time without proof is prejudice, and (b) understand how holding that sort of prejudice about ourselves is a very good way of making our performance bad because the faithful unconscious always tries to do what it thinks you expect it to do. It assumes what is expected is what we want. So why not expect ourselves to be what we actually are -embodiments of something pretty awesome, whenever we don't take life too seriously  :  )
Best,
AR

Hello Dudes!

it is so funny for me to write "dudes".  I am liking it.  But this really feels like PG.  Because in my social circles nobody says dude without feeling campy.  Being artsy-homos that we are. 


Just to add to the topic of "all thoughts are ideas" and "all thought is process, imagination, etc"...

I kind of had like a "snap-back" once I started the exercise of writing down all my ideas.  At first I came to be over-whelmed by the realization that ALL my thoughts were ideas.  So I stopped the exercise, but then for days on, including now, I feel bad noticing how many many many thoughts there are.  And I feel a certain loss of control now.  Kind of like when you are meditating and you are trying to not think, and this is just stressful, and the wrong way to do it. 

Well, an interesting situation that I will ride out, using more input control, to get calm again. 

But what is the deal, actually?  Conscious thought is heard by the Unconscious and then the Unconscious shoots off what it hears and then this is felt by the conscious mind and thus goes the feedback loop?  Because what really stuns me is that this loop is all just one process of prediction.  And so my neurohacking job it to get my mind to predict what what I want it to predict. 

hmmm, I am not sure if I am making sense here.  I will just throw this thought-bait out there and see if anybody bites. 

thanks, Sir Hinojo

sirhinojo wrote:

Hello Dudes!

I kind of had like a "snap-back" once I started the exercise of writing down all my ideas.  At first I came to be over-whelmed by the realization that ALL my thoughts were ideas.  So I stopped the exercise, but then for days on, including now, I feel bad noticing how many many many thoughts there are.  And I feel a certain loss of control now.  Kind of like when you are meditating and you are trying to not think, and this is just stressful, and the wrong way to do it. 

sirhinojo wrote:

Oh, and by the way, in regards to my N4 and N4 in general.

I have no "O" in N4.  But I have a very low overall percentage usage. 

sirhinojo Wrote:
Well, an interesting situation that I will ride out, using more input control, to get calm again. But what is the deal, actually?

At this level NH can take us for a bit of an experiential ride, hence the warnings in recent tutorials. Your strategy is exactly the right way to deal with them though  :  )

I first noticed how 'busy' the brain is with thoughts all the time when someone claimed that men think about sex around 20 times a day, but presented no proof for this claim. Determined to do the experiment, some colleagues and I armed ourselves with notepads and made records of any sexual reveries.
Our unsurprising conclusions were that (a) it depends entirely on the context, (b) everyone is different, and (c) knowing we are doing an experiment on a particular subject makes us think about it more  :  )  but we almost all felt very surprised at discovering how constantly busy our minds were. The exception was one dude who already did mindfulness meditation and had 'heard it all before' (mindfulness can give a similar awareness).

It's fascinating how much our minds get up to that we don't ordinarily notice at all. Even when we're asleep, they are still busy shifting bits of data around and building new connections. It can feel like discovering a 'little alien' in our head and that is a bit weird, but rest assured the conscious and unconscious mind is one whole entity. The unconscious doesn't expect to have to speak for us; that's not it's task, so its only when we start looking at what its doing that we see how much constant processing there really is.

The other surprise for some is how much we're NOT paying attention to the here and now.
Unconscious content is, as you have noticed, for the most part almost constant prediction. But that's great, as that's exactly what it's meant to do.

An easier way to approach this exercise is to only observe our thoughts at certain times in a day.

[s] Conscious thought is heard by the Unconscious and then the Unconscious shoots off what it hears and then this is felt by the conscious mind and thus goes the feedback loop?
Because what really stuns me is that this loop is all just one process of prediction. And so my neurohacking job it to get my mind to predict what I want it to predict.

Well, we want it to predict accurate representations of reality, so getting it to do that (if it isn't already) makes good sense.
Feedback- and feedforward-circuits is one of the brains favorite ways to do things because it leads to autonomous development. But it can seem a bit Alice-in-Wonderland when you consider some of these noodle-bakers:

Genetic hardware (our genome) stores codes for building hardware (proteins that build brains/bodies) to run interactive software (mind). The outputs from interactions between mind  software and hard reality are the inputs for N3 that determine our perception, memory and association and affect all future software and hardware modification.

Inside of all this we have the conscious<-->unconscious feedback loop AND feedforward from prediction in N3.

The hardware runs software that rewrites itself and structurally changes the hardware to run the new software that rewrites............(repeat ad infinitum.)

Thought begins in the brain before birth in dream sleep, and never stops totally in the brain until it dies. When inner, cellular motion absolutely stops, all thought stops. Where does it come from, and where does it go to?

If neurons firing is 'thought', and neurons firing causes all motion, are our arms and legs thinking when we walk?

...You think that's air we're breathing now?    LOL  :  )

Just hang on tight dudes, the rabbit hole's deep, but our safety belt is the relaxation response, and input control can always hit the 'pilot eject' button.
Best,
AR
PS Re: 'dude': I assume here it just means 'someone cool'  :  )