I'm almost shure that it was in the old yahoo group, i tried to access but i don't remember anymore the login/pass i used to sign up lol.

Not shure how practical can be with that features (only one channel) ..?

I was looking to buy someday in the future a emotiv epoc (or similar tech) that seems more advanced (14 channels) but more pricey too https://emotiv.com/

Basically to be aware to my own states (brain waves wise) oh ok so this is like alpha feels? beta? etc .. that feedback can be very valuable!

EDIT: BTW i just remember and old talk in residents quarters related to this .. i don't know alex if i can copy+past the talk here if not just to to residents quarters topic "brain scans!"

"Alex Said:
Hi dude,

BCI gaming/health tech is improving a lot, and in some cases if you chase it up you can find the source code (which may broaden the possibilities somewhat). If you find the picture source, let me know, but if it's mapped as Brainwave=Area, it's got to be wrong, because in real life most brainwaves turn up in various locations despite also having their 'favorite' or usual areas to manifest (which is one reason why EEGs need many channels to be accurate).

Sometimes several networks at once are all firing in sync, sometimes they're all different. Sometimes there really are active areas and dormant areas, but sometimes this is an illusion caused by poor sensors. On the whole when awake, N2 & N5 prefer beta and N1 & N4 alpha. There should be a table or list of brainwaves' correlation with neurotransmitters and networks somewhere in the library, please  complain at me if there isn't  :  )

Any tech with accurate enough sensors is usable for brainwave mapping, but I would beware of some of the games, as they can actually end up increasing anxiety by pumping up beta all the time!

Neuro/ biofeedback is really very useful, so unless you're a technophobe it is good to give it a try as soon as you can, since it may save you so much time and gets a lot of rapid results especially on rear nets and the body/mind connection. It brings unconscious awareness into conscious awareness, and that's a vital skill for future control.

What puts a lot of people off is the ridiculous cost of some units and 'training workshops' etc but don't be misled -even a very simple unit (temperature or GSR for example) will start you off with the method, and if anything makes it easier to tune up your own natural awareness in a shorter time. Reliance on tech or drugs should ideally be temporary, since the whole idea is to improve our innate skills as much as possible and THEN augment them.

When you finish your first spiral of training, do an FA, then plan your next strategy. Otherwise, we can end up underestimating ourselves and not noticing how much we have improved!
Best,
AR "



"Sakiro said

This is the picture i saw

http://www.emotiv.com/store/apps/applications/135/4285

Ok it seems like it is only the brainwaves?

Yeh, probably i will not wait to finish my first cycle to try some neurofeedback stuff

What are my options? emotiv is a little expensive, but seems one of the most advanced?

This one can be an option too http://www.neurosky.com/

But neurosky has only two sensors, and emotiv a lot more so probably the second is more accurate (but the first more time in the market so it has more research/aplications to use).

And an FMRI can't be bought? i mean it can be done only in hospitals or something like that? "



"Alex Said

Hi dudes,
There was an extensive conversation about Neurosky, I think on the old yahoo NH forum? Localroger bought one and did some experiments, including wearing it on his knee  :  )  We were trying to ascertain what exactly was being measured.

It looks like what is being picked up is location-related electrical activity; nowhere near as accurate as full EEG but for gaming it really doesn't need to be. What Emotiv is calling 'brain waves' is in fact 'brain activity' in certain locations (for main example, activity happens in the motor cortex whenever we imagine performing an action.)

This is NOT brainwaves. Brain activity means an area of the cortex firing in a short burst (in this case the area that would be normally used for motor activity is imagining that motor activity and firing the memories associated with the movements). Brainwaves are synchronized patterns of activity across whole sections of the brain or on occasion, all of it. They can have long duration, which would be pretty useless for gaming techniques as they require short sharp separate bursts -exactly what's available from localized scanning.

The Emotiv system also picks up the local activity created by neurochemicals triggered by emotion (and also by sentiment, or drugs, or any number if things) and data from facial expression (muscular movement), but this isn't brainwaves either; it's still localized bursts of activity.

For any of you with an Emotiv EPOC EEG headset, you can now access the raw data:

http://hackaday.com/2010/09/13/python-l … motiv-eeg/

http://github.com/daeken/Emokit

The power of these devices to cause harm shouldn't be underestimated -training people to operate their computer by deliberately invoking sentiments is not doing any of us any favors. For those who know what they're doing, choose games that assist in reaching alpha states rather than beta states. Most of us know only too well how to get anxious and jumpy on demand, but not many of us are good at calming down, staying cool and remaining excited and motivated at the same time.

Certainly MRI tech can be bought:
http://www.mridepot.com/mri
if you have this sort of money:
https://www.ehow.com/about_4731161_much … -cost.html
but I've always found it more practical to use somebody elses, in particular because you can also help with research by doing that, but mainly because it avoids needing an extra room built on your house.  :  )
Best,
AR "


Here is a youtube video of someone using the emotiv with the software maybe alex can take a quick look and have more insight of what actually picks up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rWVzMdZ15A   (7:30 mark)


So seems like there isn't affordable products to read our own brainwaves? like +1000 dollars

https://brain-trainer.com/product-categ … -training/


Cheers

Ok, dudes,

thanks for the feedback.  I will not buy Neurosky.  I will stick to simple GSR device and other lo-tech techniques, such as meditation.  The gadgets, like Neurosky, are not "advanced" enough to make them worthy of usurping my more "traditional" strategies to control my states of consciousness.  If I had programming skills, or lots and lots of mula for the "real deal" machines, that would be another story. 

Keep on keeping on dudes and thanks again for the info!

rico

Hi dude,
The Proteus gives you loads more info plus self-programming options, and is not anything like as expensive as the neurosky kit. If you have a safe postal address you could borrow ours (obviously don't post any address here!  :  ) Mail me privately if you want to have a try.)

Re: 'return time' from relaxation to arousal: I know the opposite effect is an indicator of health (ie, the longer it takes us to return to relaxation after stretching indicates the health of our physical systems like cardiovascular etc, but I have no idea if the opposite question has clinical applications. Does anyone else know? If not I'll look into it.
Best,
AR
PS Has anyone else noticed how the name 'Thoughtstream' is weirdly difficult to type 'automatically' (ie, without paying specific attention  to the word?) My various automatic attempts come out as 'thoughtstarem', 'thoughstream' (most usual), or 'thouhtstream'.  What is this 'induced dyslexia' effect? Does anyone know? Any other similar words others have constant trouble with? I have the same problem typing 'TeachFirst'; which comes out as 'teachirst'.

...before any of you smartasses say, 'I have the same problem typing Pheynylmethylpyrazoronamidomethansulphonate', we've heard that one.  :  )

> What is this 'induced dyslexia' effect? Does anyone know?

English is one beautiful* mess of a language. Full of historico-cultural accidents, as a kid I never understood why TV shows kids always had to do this strange exam at school involving "spelling" words.. it always sounded mildly retarded from a more regular language's perspective as any of the modern Latin strains. (now I think it's merely retardizing)

But now I see how dissonant from actual phonemes the whole mess is.. geez... so much so that it actually makes sense, you know, as a form of torture...


> Any other similar words others have constant trouble with?

Here is an experiment to try: palindromes. Gather a list of such, maybe connect them with otherwise perfectly normal and well behaved words (such as "Stream") and type away... See how many you can get right, I wonder how small the palindrome can get before the effect disappears. ^_^

I'm guessing a MalayalamStream would have plenty of those, hahaha


your "automatic mode" must be extremely honest tho, or one will just fall back to spatial memory (or even just the sensorial pattern of touched fingers) and play the latter half backwards as a musician doing a scale exercise... if that happens, better try again after waking up or something?

Pep,
A2A

* if you're a linguist I guess

...Hey dudes, could this be a literary version of Yips? I suppose one could include typing in 'fine motor skills'?
AR